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Tuesday, 9th February 2010

Poor grammar plagues Preston's street signs

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Published Date:
02 September 2009
The Queen's English is more like "Queens English" in Preston.
Apostrophes have been blacklisted on road and street signs in the city – because they apparently cause confusion and create errors.

But the controversial omissions have sparked a furious backlash from English language campaigners who want all apostrophes returned to city signs.

In a statement, which features no apostrophes, the city council says: "As a general rule we try to avoid the use of apostrophes in our road and street signs.

"Like many other councils we believe they can cause confusion among residents, and also increase the risk of inconsistency and errors.

"This does not, however, stop the signs from conforming to the relevant British Standard. This specifies a standard format for geographic references that the council always adheres to".

But the Queen's English Society (QES), which campaigns for better standards of English, has hit out at city road names such as St Pauls Square and St Margarets Close in Ingol – instead of St Paul's Square or St Margaret's Close – saying they are setting a bad example to youngsters learning basic grammar.

Other examples include St Clares Avenue in Fulwood and St Vincents Road, also in Fulwood.

Martin Estinel, founder of the QES academy, blames the city council.

He says: "We would say to Preston Council that the apostrophe is a characteristic of our language – you can't decide administratively that you are going to change the nature of the language.

"Young people will walk to school and walk through 'St Pauls Square' and remember the way it is written and have no idea of where the apostrophe should go.

"Not only are they flying in the face of a long tradition of our language but they are contributing to its demise – it's a double whammy."

John Richards, founder of the Apostrophe Protection Society, agrees.
He says: "This is a totally backwards step and I have protested about this several times elsewhere. We have talked about the disservice that it's doing to children.

"If they got the signs right every time, there would be consistency.
"They should get the apostrophe correct and put it in.

"When they remove a sign or change it, they should correct it."
Apostrophes have hit the headlines elsewhere in the country after so-called 'Apostrophe Man' Stefan Gatward, of Royal Tunbridge Wells, was branded a vandal for using a paintbrush to add a missed apostrophe on a sign outside a home in St Johns Close.

Meanwhile, authorities such as Salford Council in Greater Manchester have been issuing advice to staff about how to use apostrophes correctly.

The QES has also been in an ongoing battle with Birmingham Council after it decided to remove apostrophes from new street signs.

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  • Last Updated: 02 September 2009 12:51 PM
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Greg Lane,

02/09/2009 08:54:31
I can live without apostrophes in street names but those imbecilic '10 items or 'less'' signs have to go.
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02/09/2009 09:23:29
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David C,

02/09/2009 10:36:19
who cares? The LEP is full of these mistakes. Worry about yhe missing signs and the pointless signs. Theres more signs in Preston City Center than there are shops or Lampposts.
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BoxyRoxy,

Fulwood 02/09/2009 11:17:30
Anyone notice the (unintentional) grammatical error in the story?

"This does not, however, stop the signs from conforming to the relevant British Standard. This specifies a standard format for geographic references that the council always adheres to".

Full stop in the wrong place - it should come before the speech mark.
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FulwoodMan,

Fulwood 02/09/2009 11:28:19
The quote is a straight copy from the council statement.
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BoxyRoxy,

Fulwood 02/09/2009 11:39:49
Doh - yeah, you're right...
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jonh,

02/09/2009 12:53:43
Doesn't help with stupid popstars like Tinchy Stryder (as recently promoted by Preston) who use silly, made up, "gangsta" accents & dialect.
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Preston Cabbie,

02/09/2009 13:33:24
True Jonh. That's why MTV is banned in our house.
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Crypto,

St. Saint's St 02/09/2009 13:49:30
Are these definitely errors? I don't think there are hard and fast rules about signs. For one thing the signs are in large capitals because they are for drivers not familiar with the area to see while going at 30 mph, not for grammarians to get het up about or schoolkids to learn english from. Should they only begin with capitals, according to these pedants?

And it only seems to be Saints that cause problems. Do the saints in question actually own the roads, hence the possesive apostrophe? or even live there. What about the towns Saint Annes on Sea and Saint Helens: they are always spelt like that. But for people like Shakespeare, Fletcher, Rigby, Geoffrey they have their roads but without the 's. But d'Urton Lane was a bit of a headache I imagine.
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WillyBanjo,

02/09/2009 14:16:40
IF U FINK IT IZ BAD NOW W8 20 YRS WEN DA KIDZ R RUNNIN FINGZ - LOL LOL

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