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The people's verdict on Tithebarn



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Published Date: 19 May 2008
Preston people believe they have been kept in the dark about the city's £700m Tithebarn re-birth for too long.
The Evening Post can now publish the results of a poll on the long-awaited regeneration project as developers prepare to unveil their vision for the future.

City leaders have now demanded a timetable for the scheme and details of how it will reshape the city centre from the Preston Tithebarn Partnership (PTP), made up of developers Grosvenor and Lend Lease.

And to help keep the public informed, the PTP and council has opened the Tithebarn Information Centre in the Prince's Building in Lancaster Road to show detailed plans of the site for the first time.

The office is open daily until Wednesday, June 11, from 10am to 4pm.

Some of the findings of the survey, which involved 366 Evening Post and lep.co.uk readers, include: 52% not believing the project will ever happen; 61% saying information about the scheme has been poorly communicated; but two-thirds believing the project will have a positive impact.

PTP project manager Anthony Gill said the survey results were "encouraging" in that residents were asking for more details on the Tithebarn scheme and they would be able to get them at the new information centre.

He added: "People will have the opportunity to ask questions and view the model and information panels to understand the plans fully."

Preston Council chief executive, Jim Carr, said the survey results were "interesting" and added: "There is a lot of support for Tithebarn and regenerating the city centre and people want to know more about what it will mean for Preston."

Frank McKenna, chairman of business lobbying group Downtown Preston in Business, said the survey sent "some clear messages" to developers and council bosses.

He said: "The fact more than half think it will never happen tells you there are big lessons to be learned.

Preston Chamber of Trade chief executive Nicholas Watson said he believed the survey underlined there was "a tremendous amount of work to be done" and added: "It has become obvious that Preston is crying out for regeneration.

"But the flip side to statistics like 81% of people think the city centre needs regenerating and 79% of them think the market hall need refurbishment, is a damning indictment of where we find ourselves today."

Rob Binns, of Browns and Truth on Glover's Court, said Preston required "a large influx" of cafes, restaurants and bars.

Our survey showed 21% agreed Tithebarn should bring restaurants, another 21% want more leisure facilities and 11% want more pubs and bars.

But, Hilary Mitchell, manager of Fastline Superbikes on Church Street, said she felt "embarrassed" at the current state of the city centre.

She said: "Everything has been put on hold for too many years."

County Coun Tony Martin, cabinet member for sustainable development, said the 62% of people who did not think Preston's iconic bus station should be demolished needed "a wake-up call".

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Red Rosie,

19/05/2008 13:45:53
No, Councillor Martin, you're the one who needs a wake up call. When 62% of people say something, you as a democratic politician should have a rethink. Even if the bus station itself moves, the existing building and the car park above it could be retained, refurbished and re-used in the new scheme. Imagine the buses gone and the concourse transformed into a ready-made arcade of small shops for independent shop-keepers, for instance.
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barnfarm,

19/05/2008 14:29:15
Oh Red Rosie, you make the elementary mistake of believing Coun Martin gives a stuff what the people of Preston think. He was always going to either (a) agree with the findings if they backed-up the long agreed (behind closed doors) position of the authority or (b) dismiss them out of hand of they didn't. To do otherwise would require some kind of independent thought - unthinkable for a good party man and convert to the cause.
Besides, he has at least PROVIDED us with a different wake up call. He reminds us why local democracy, along with its big national brother, is dying on its flabby backside.
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tom finney's monkey wrench,

the toolbox 19/05/2008 14:49:41
preston doesnt need more shops, the empty spaces in all 4 shopping centres in the town centre are testament to that. it needs different ones. trying to compete with liverpool and manchester is pointless. the burghers of preston should try and offer something different to everywhere else.
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tom finney's monkey wrench,

the toolbox 19/05/2008 14:53:30
in fact has the newish part of the st georges centre ever been full? it's been open 8(?) years now i reckon.....
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WorkerBee,

Preston 19/05/2008 14:58:58
The logic goes that if we provide more shops then we will attract more traders as the mix will become bigger and more ecletic rather than leaving uslittered with empty units. This has been the experience, so far, of Liverpool.
However, this will, of course, depend on fair rents and on landlords keeping the different shopping centres presentable with clean, secure environments and a good mix of stores.
I suspect we can all think of a corner or two or Preston where this does not apply.
Hopefully Grosvenor will raise the bar.
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barnfarm,

19/05/2008 15:08:12
It is the logic of an arms race. If A and B build 200 new shops then C must either build similar quantities or resign themselves to losing more retail activity to A and B.
And we all know how well arms races tend to turn out.
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S. Scott,

Preston 19/05/2008 16:36:22
If you look at it, the empty shop units are the smaller ones (i.e. where Game was -orignally- and All:Sports in Fishergate Centre, the units around Claire's Accessories in St Georges, those small, worn out shops facing the Fishergate entrance to the Fishergate Centre -due to be done up I believe, etc). Larger ones are quickly filled, such as by Peacocks about to open in St Georges. Also, River Island is opening a second store in Preston at Deepdale and Topshop is in the process of expanding their store in the city centre, as well as the £6m refurb of M&S. Tithebarn will bring larger, more modern retail units to Preston to [permanently] pull in the larger retailers.
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Red Rosie,

Preston 19/05/2008 16:46:31
Yes, the bigger "units" which attract the chain stores do seem easier to let, presumably because the big boys can afford the rents. The result is that everywhere looks like everywhere else with the same big brand, big, bland names dominating and the quirky, independent stores shut out.

But surely Tithebarn has to be about more than just shopping? So far there's been a lot of talk about taking money off folk, and next to nothing about enriching our lives. Where are the art galleries, the museums, the libraries and so on? Where's the real vision here, where's the hook that will get people to visit Preston rather than any of the other lookalike towns and cities across the North West?

Where's the heart and soul of this new development? Don't tell me it's just some over-priced department store!
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Long live speed limits,

Fylde 20/05/2008 10:12:03
The only reason this plan exists is to take more money off people
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