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Lancashire town compared to Beirut

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Published Date: 17 November 2009
Say 'Beirut' and images of a bomb-strewn civil war zone will spring to mind for a certain generation.
Yet the Lebanese capital was this week hailed as the hottest tourist destination in the world after years of rebuilding.

Few people would compare it to the parish town of Penwortham on the south bank of the River Ribble.

But, the town's mayor has been fending off stinging criticism after choosing to compare part of leafy Penwortham with Beirut – the mid 80s version, not the 2009 tourist playground – on live radio.

Coun Jim Hothersall was invited onto Jeremy Vine's lunchtime show on BBC Radio 2 to talk about unruly carol singers demanding money on his doorstep when he said anti-social problems are so bad in one part of the town that teenage yobs threatened to kill him when he demanded they get down from a school roof.

He told Mr Vine: "They are teenagers from a renowned area in Penwortham. I have got to stress Penwortham is a super place to live but there is a particular ward where there is a particular problem and they are instantly recognisable.

"In fact, the local ward councillor refers to the area as Beirut." He said the area is Kingsfold.

He later told the Lancashire Evening Post: "I regret mentioning Kingsfold but Jeremy Vine put me on the spot and I didn't think quickly enough, but I did try to make it clear not everyone can be tarred with the same brush.

"I regret using the term 'Beirut' – it wasn't me who originally used the reference. I was merely quoting somebody. I apologise unreservedly to those people who have taken offence. From a personal point, I perceive a youth problem having been threatened with death."

Coun Hothersall said that youths believed to be from the Kingsfold Estate had been intimidating residents and causing problems – with one even threatening to "shoot" him when he ordered another down from the roof of Middleforth CE Primary School.

Kingsfold Methodist Church minister Reverend Paul Davis said of the mayor's on-air comments: "This is not something we would identify with in that community. We think an awful lot of work has been done in Kingsfold recently and most of our young people have somewhere now to go.

"I think it is not the most positive of comments when people have been working really hard."

South Ribble Labour group leader Coun Matthew Tomlinson added: "I think to say that about any part of South Ribble is outrageous."

But others agreed with Coun Hothersall.

A worker at the Black Bull Inn in Pope Lane said: "I'm born and bred here and people are sick of it. The teenagers walk around on the streets in their hoods and people are intimidated.

"They are fed up of it - he is right and a lot of us agree with it. There should be more CCTV."

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  • Last Updated: 30 November 2009 11:38 AM
  • Source: Lancashire Evening Post CTY
  • Location: Preston
  • Related Topics: Penwortham & Hutton
 
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once a red always a red ,

Penwortham 17/11/2009 13:01:10
He is absolutely spot on to highlight the problem in Kingsfold. Most of the area is great but Hawksbury Drive is a nightmare after dark. The so called Kingsfold Youth Defence are annoying little chavs pretending to be hard and intimidating some of the residents. As most of them are in rented accommodation a simple solution would be for the housing association to threaten them with eviction if their behaviour doesn't improve.
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Saladays,

17/11/2009 13:22:50
The tourists had better watch out.... they might get lost. Jim Hothersall had better return to base and check out his wards.
Middleforth CE School is in it own ward of Middleforth while Kingsfold is a separate place. Perhaps he got lost along the way!
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Ex-Callon,

Hollywood 17/11/2009 14:44:27
The mayors statement can't be to far off target or is the other article about the sldgehammer robbery in Penwortham just a coincidence ?
The PC Brigade to the fore again is it ?
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Katie F,

South of the river 17/11/2009 15:05:31
Good on Cllr Hothersall for having the guts to come out and say something about the problems in Kingsfold. All to often our politicians are gagged by the pressure to say the 'right' thing. It is rare for a politician to come out and say what he really thinks, but openness and honesty are always the best policy. Kingsfold does have a problem with yobs, anyone can see that. It's about time all our politicians stood by their beliefs.
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Romany,

Tenerife 17/11/2009 15:49:12
Never mind the politicians it is about time we had good old fashioned coppers patrolling and if these ragamuffins cross the line hammer them in the courts.
Many of the parents could not care less what the little brats get up to. Possibly guzzling alcohol in the Plough.
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rob,ex pat.,

17/11/2009 16:53:04
thats a bit unfair to beirut in it...
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leja,

penwortham 17/11/2009 19:35:19
i agree with the comments. i have lived in Penwortham all my life, Kingfold is the part of penwortham with issues. it is not safe, it is run by chavs who will attack anyone and anything in a bid to gain a reputation. they dare not wander to far from Penwortham because even they are not so stupid that they realise they are mickey mouse gangsters who would last only seconds in a proper city. ask most people in Penwortham and they will state the same...ask those in Kingsfold and they to will agree...the others are the above mentioned!!
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Steveys,

Penwortham 17/11/2009 21:55:41
I really cant see how Jim Hothersall can remain in his position. There are problems in certain parts of Penwortham but for the Mayor of Penwortham to go on a national radio station and make such derogatory comments about his own town is beyond belief!! What has he achieved by doing this - created many more problems for the area!!! There are many people working for a variety of services - paid and unpaid - who have given much of their valuable time in working with the children in the area - many ( the children) of whom have a mountain of problems of their own. This man should know much better than to be devoid of the insight and common sense expected of someone representing their community to make such ill conceived comments. I think the best and most honorable thing he can do is to step down and just hope those people working in the area can repair the damage he has done. Another more worrying matter is his ability to immediately assign certain children to a particular offence. The incident he mentions happened in Middleforth. If Mr Hothersall recognised and can identify the children who made the comments then he needs to go to the police and make a statement and give names. If not, he is going against the main tenants of our justice system by assigning guilt before proven guilty. This alone makes him unfit to stand in the office of major. I am quite disgusted. Instead of damaging Kingsfold further, he should be actively working to create more opportunities for the young people and address many of the issues they face. The police should be just and fair and actively investigate offences - at the moment they do not always do this - and aim to prosecute the main offenders. Acting like middle aged lunatics doesnt always help matters and ignoring difficult situations doesnt help either. We need some competent, just and fair officers in the area who have the ability to work with other agencies together in order to improve the safety of all residents including other teena
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Steveys,

Penwortham 17/11/2009 22:00:49
Also not all teenagers in Kingsfold are part of this group and therefore we should be careful not to tarnish them all with the same brush.
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ms83,

Preston 18/11/2009 00:02:19
Steveys is spot on - to compare it to Beirut is just idiotic, these kids/hoodies/whatever other tabloid word you want to use are hardly using heavy artillery to blow limbs off each other (irrelevant of what Beirut is like now he obviously thought it was still a warzone). And some of you congratulate Hothersall on his idiotic knowledge of the world and silly exaggeration whilst putting off hundreds of thousands of national listeners off the town?
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