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Bishop blames intellectuals for Church's decline

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Published Date:
12 November 2008
The leader of Lancashire's Roman Catholics has blamed education for the Church's decline.
In an interview with a Catholic news agency Bishop Patrick O'Donoghue, the retiring Bishop of Lancaster, said university-educated Catholics were misinterpreting Church teachings.

In Catholic newpaper The Tablet Bishop O'Donoghue is reported to have said: "The Second Vatican Council tends to be misinterpreted most by Catholics with a university education – this is, by those most exposed to the intellectual and moral spirit of the age.

"These well-educated Catholics have gone on to occupy influential positions in education, the media, politics and even the Church, where they have been able to spread their so-called loyal, dissent, causing confusion and discord in the whole church."

One leading Preston Catholic, who did not want to be named, said she thought the Bishop truly believed what he was saying, but accused him of driving people away.

She said: "I weep for my church because I feel it will become a sect.

"What the Bishop is doing is showing all the dictatorial things which are wrong about sects. I am angry and feel attacked. What he is saying is we are to pray, pay, obey but don't have a say."

Frank Harrington, senior lecturer in religion, culture and society at the University of Central Lancashire, said: "For me, Vatican II was a landmark event. It enabled changes to many aspects of Catholic life and worship and it both liberated and empowered the laity.

"We need to understand this world, and our Catholicism is one of the contexts within which we do this.

"That we do this as educated intellectuals is no accident, but we are not setting out to destroy the church, but rather to make sense of it in a modern context."

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  • Last Updated: 13 November 2008 10:46 AM
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zeospike,

UK 13/11/2008 10:09:26
I wonder why Bishop o'Donoghue fears intellectual analysis of his god? Maybe because if people actually thought about it they'd realise the implausible, impossible, fallacy riddled, inconsistent nonsense that it and all religions are.

No religions like people to be educated or to have access to information or any knowledge they don't control as it erodes their purpose.

This is generally why religions are anti-science, but pro alternatives like homeopathy as these are about as much use as religion - as placebo at best.

Religion brings nothing of value to the world that cannot be obtained from anywhere else, and provides no concrete evidence or proof for any of its claims. The central belief of all religions is the existence of their god, but I've yet to hear an answer to the simple question "What do you mean by god, and how do you define exists" without a constant referral to abstracts.
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Common Sense prevails,

Naples, Italy 13/11/2008 10:30:53
Zeospike, I couldn't agree with you more. Surely if a set of beliefs are truly strong enough then surely it should be able to stand up to logical and intellectual scrutiny.

If being educated and thinkign for yourself is enough to make religion redundant, then its value is minimal at best.
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Jack Davenport,

Preston 13/11/2008 10:37:11
I was a churchgoing Catholic until my mid teens; by that time I felt (personally) that the tradition of church was not spiritually rewarding and ceased to go. I've had something of a lack of sympathy towards the symbolism of mass ever since. That said, it is still an important part of people's lives and is not necessarily an institution that should be abandoned altogether, but it has to change.

Once, when I went to the Hindu Temple in my ward, there was a religious festival on. It was quite unlike anything I had seen before; people were engaged in prayers (or similar), but there was a group of women in a corner, singing, which was amplified throughout the temple. Children were around in groups, talking and playing. People there were as much sociallising as they were engaged in religious practice. Churches may need to look at this kind of practice if they want to survive - balancing religious observance with community spirit. It is too formal and too much directed to sermonising, rather participation.

Another issue, which may irritate some more religious observers, is that churches are not family friendly. Holding a service on the early hours of SUnday morning is not a practical time for families and families cannot always make the time to attend. Pressures are different today than they were 50/60 years ago. The churches need to adapt, but so far they haven't and that is their primary fault.
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Sam Tana,

13/11/2008 10:52:59
zeospike, I came here to write exactly what you've written, but you've said it so well I don't have to bother. I'll simply add that Catholics can take great comfort from the fact that Bishop Patrick O'Donoghue is indeed retiring. I'm sure he's been a major factor in the church falling apart in this area. Well done, Bish!
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barnfarm,

13/11/2008 12:25:09
Further applause for zeospike. New headline suggestion: Ignorance is bliss says bishop.
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eric the half bee,

Plant earth 13/11/2008 12:50:27
The essence of what the Bishop just demonstrates everything I have believed about organized religion. It’s exists to control the masses. Don't challenge what you you have to put up with on the earth and you will get your reward in heaven. Don't question, just obey.

The format might be different, but the overall effect of all organised religions is the same.

As someone once said "religion is the opium of the people."
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graz,

13/11/2008 12:56:13
So is he advocating banning schools, universities etc oh yes, I see, the Church had a lot of power when we were all uneducated peasants
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graham nelson,

preston 13/11/2008 14:15:52
the bishop is approaching retirement so he appears to be telling things as they are-as he sees them. in response we get several anti rc posts in particular and anti christian in general. roman catholicism but more widly chrisianity in general is as used to, and still is, to be describe the church of england and the labour party "a broad church"!.
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eric the half bee,

Plant earth 13/11/2008 15:20:57
I think 8 has been partaking of the communion wine a bit to much.
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graham nelson,

preston 13/11/2008 15:32:54
i only take a sip no 9. all i am saying in the second part of number 8 is that christianity is broad and diverse-something which the churches critics either forget or do not recognise.
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